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Post by Ammie on Jun 16, 2013 7:03:57 GMT -8
The unproductive thing to do here is start talking about "blame". If we're going to go there, I'll blame myself for being such an enthusiastic party person that I pulled people away productive RP and allowed it to stagnate until people got bored and had to do NMs. We can play blame game all day.
But I don't think it's a situation that needs a "culprit" since the only reason to identify a culprit is to punish them, and I don't think anyone feels like that's necessary. We just need to see the problem and change course. Which it seems like we've done here with remarkable maturity and lack of friction.
Go team us!
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Post by onlycore on Jun 16, 2013 7:35:32 GMT -8
I.T. department meeting is gonna be depressing... mostly Core in a room rping alone T_T
also Netfilx wouldn't work Ammie would have to be streaming somehow, at least not for me as English netfilx has stupidly a completely different line up to the US one as has been sadly discovered in the past.
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Post by onlycore on Jun 16, 2013 7:49:28 GMT -8
although one quick point I'm 100% behind more rpz but lets not get to the point were we feel guilty and don't NM anymore, going most nights was a tad much sure but I don't think it's unreasonable to hit them once or twice a week outside of Sundays, if we just limit them to Sundays well then it gets a little restrictive and leave some players out if there not nm ready, Sunday for me is more IC dungeons and missioning not just lets run a NM *shrug*
same with RFG my comments they weren't meant to try and make people feel guilty for going to them or anything, hell I do enjoy them myself just felt they were swamping the rp times.
as a side though rp'ing more at the parties might be an idea, what I mean is that time Anna dragged you all from the party to talk about the mole, just moving downstairs got us away from most of the random chatter and there seemed a good few people wandering the house wanting to chat as well to the point we had to run off outside and into the back garden to get some quiet for our secret meeting.
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Post by tess on Jun 16, 2013 9:14:29 GMT -8
Right. It says right on the tin that we're medium RP and are interested in character development as well as in game progression. Going heavy RP goes just as much against the mission statement as does the nightly dungeon slogs. The trick is finding the proper balance.
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Post by Carl on Jun 16, 2013 9:25:44 GMT -8
I'm glad this has been brought up, with my work schedule the way it is, it can be difficult to gauge whether the RP/NM balance is being kept up. For me, I've more or less designated Saturday as "Party Night" and Sunday as "Dungeon/Adventue Night" during my weekends off. (And yes, fitting in some alone time for Carl and Jule where we can. ) I'll be taking a small break from writing, after working so long on Burdens and Visions and then immediately contributing to The Witch's Seal after that. But then I plan to start brainstorming some cases and storys for our investigative types.
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Post by caonedh on Jun 16, 2013 10:25:44 GMT -8
I feel like I have something to add to this conversation, which goes along with what Tess and others have said. I have NEVER been in a guild that has been able to strike the balance between endgame content and RP. It always ends up being one or the other, which is why I've kind of flip flopped which one I do as I changed gamed; here it's RP, TOR was PvE, Rift was RP, WoW was PvE for the second three years, RP for the first three. In all of those cases except one, there was supposed to be a "balance" between the two in the guild, but ended up becoming one or the other. The one that did the "best" job I've ever seen is a guild where it sort of separated into the heavy RP clique and the go out and do content clique. So, having seen a guild where that actually happened, I want to make clear that this is NOT what we have in the cabal right now. At least not in my opinion. In that guild, the PvEers and the RPers talked and were friendly, but NEVER did anything together. And when I look at the group that have been doing NMs heavy (myself, Tess, Angel, Kover, throwing in a Brightflower and a Core and sometimes a Stuckey) I see people who are very engaged in the RP of the guild. Well, except me. All of your characters are perverts, and I save my perversion for RL, thank you very much! I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm glad this is being brought up, especially the point about RFG shows. The price of trying to maintain balance is that it requires all of us paying ATTENTION to that balance. But in nearly fifteen years of MMOing, this cabal has been far and away the best at actually striking that balance. Understand that this is just my own opinion. I'm sure there are those who may disagree with me. Those people are what I like to call "wrong." <goes and hides before things get thrown at him> P.S. @ Brightflower- Everyone knows, I think, that RP is sort of out of your comfort zone. Personally, I think you've done a pretty admirable job trying to break out of it. And I hope you know that, when you're ready to dive in deeper, you will have a ton of people who are willing to explore your character with you. One thing I've found; when I create a character, I usually have a template, but it's not until I actually RP them that I discover who they are. So if you're not sure about your character yet, don't worry; just means you need more Arpeez!
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Post by sersi on Jun 16, 2013 11:00:58 GMT -8
P.S. @ Brightflower- Everyone knows, I think, that RP is sort of out of your comfort zone. Personally, I think you've done a pretty admirable job trying to break out of it. And I hope you know that, when you're ready to dive in deeper, you will have a ton of people who are willing to explore your character with you. kinkeh
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Post by kovergirl on Jun 16, 2013 11:14:30 GMT -8
I guess I should preface this by saying that I love both rp and progression. Beside the general theme of the cabal, what drew me to Aegir was the balance of having plot filled rps and pushing content. So I'm all for maintaining that balance moving forward. I do realize that I've been eagerly hopping on the nightly NM runs, and apologize for adding to the imbalance. But I do believe it to be a symptom rather than a cause.
That said, I think the best way to go about striking a good balance between our two focuses is, as Ammie and Franc suggests, to incrementally bring back the structured storylines and bring a more company feel back into the cabal and our rps. I would love to see more minor interactions and weekly department meetings and would jump at the chance to delve into more of the character building side of things. (Franc's anecdote was a fun example of something small but meaningful taking place in a relatively short period of time that can be sprinkled out over time.)
As for the large plots, maybe we can share the brainstorming and execution together so we don't need such an overarching GM to run it. Sure, it might dilute the surprise somewhat to have more people in the know about plots, but I think that benefit of having large events and storylines running smoother and with less of a chance of people burning themselves out over it, would more than out weigh the cons of doing so.
Just my thoughts on the situation.
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Post by @Jewel on Jun 16, 2013 12:44:20 GMT -8
So, having seen a guild where that actually happened, I want to make clear that this is NOT what we have in the cabal right now. At least not in my opinion. In that guild, the PvEers and the RPers talked and were friendly, but NEVER did anything together. And when I look at the group that have been doing NMs heavy (myself, Tess, Angel, Kover, throwing in a Brightflower and a Core and sometimes a Stuckey) I see people who are very engaged in the RP of the guild. Well, except me. All of your characters are perverts, and I save my perversion for RL, thank you very much! Not my conv as I know my place but I've been following along and just wanted come into the thread to give Caonedh a hug. It's okay, maybe we can start "Operation: Getting Ken Laid" so we can find you an RP partner for you RP story arc. Both investigations and the arcane depts can get involved (Because he's going to need some help in the love magick dept and finding the perfect vic, er, woman/man). *ducks* P.S. @ Brightflower- Everyone knows, I think, that RP is sort of out of your comfort zone. Personally, I think you've done a pretty admirable job trying to break out of it. And I hope you know that, when you're ready to dive in deeper, you will have a ton of people who are willing to explore your character with you. One thing I've found; when I create a character, I usually have a template, but it's not until I actually RP them that I discover who they are. So if you're not sure about your character yet, don't worry; just means you need more Arpeez! Agreed on all points. It was really fun to run/RP with your character last weekend, Brightflower. I think most of people here are all starting new characters or reimagining them from other past MMO/RPG experiences and we're just one year into the game. Just imagine, five years from now what your character will be like. I had the choice last year to just continue my expression of Jule in a fan-fic novel format or have her continue in TSW and after a year, it's been far more rewarding to have her interact with other players' characters than work in a vacuum. Just keep doing what you're doing and soon enough if you haven't already, you'll start hearing his/her voice in her head and your template will be blossoming into a fully, crazy, 3-dimensional persona. Once it starts though, getting them to shut up is the hard part (Jule:I heard that!) See what I mean? LOL *exits stage right*
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Post by caonedh on Jun 16, 2013 13:27:35 GMT -8
Actually, Jule, Ken has hisself an RP partner in Rowan (Spei.) But don't worry, I'm like 42% sure she won't zap any competition.
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Post by @Jewel on Jun 16, 2013 13:37:45 GMT -8
Actually, Jule, Ken has hisself an RP partner in Rowan (Spei.) But don't worry, I'm like 42% sure she won't zap any competition. *takes her foot out of her mouth after having it put there by yours truly in the first place* \o/ Awesome! (I so need to RP more with you guys )
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Post by liquia on Jun 16, 2013 14:43:27 GMT -8
I'm just an intern, but here's how I see it: Logistics-wise1.)AEgir needs a Calender. - Since we're all over the place, it's probably best to have a place for everyone to see when events are coming up~ - If anyone feels like editing the calender, send Beryl your gmail account. 2.)A list of AEgir related RPs, ongoing, gathering dust, or in the works for the future on a thread somewhere. Ideas for generating RP content
1.) RP brainstorming nights? -Writing premises & ideas, sort of like scripts waiting for someone to make films out of them. 2.)Arrange meetings between Cabals for mediation (get in contact with other Cabals), or joint Cabal RP? 3.)Finish all of the old stuff lying around. Interaction in General1.)Play a game of Mafia online, always enjoy figuring out who the murder is, IC or OOC would be fun. 2.)Poker nights on some online sites? 3.)&& Yus, Netflix movie nights! -@ core Canada's Netflix is like a handicapped version of US' so I use an unblocker on chrome. hola.org/
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Post by kovergirl on Jun 16, 2013 15:17:51 GMT -8
I approve of Liquia's ideas. Also, poker night! \o/
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Post by sersi on Jun 16, 2013 15:26:17 GMT -8
there's good movie streaming sites too - in champions online me and another player would go there when our characters had date night and watch movies. i'll try to figure out where it was
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Post by Carl on Jun 16, 2013 15:50:38 GMT -8
This thread has made me reflect back on a time, not all that long ago, when it was rare that there'd be enough AEgir types online at once to be able to do even a normal level dungeon. Compared to those days, I would say "Are we doing too many Nightmare runs?" is a pretty nice problem to have.
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